Wow, a four way tie with mere hours till the final bell.
For the record: The rules say that if the fight ends in a tie the member who asked the question gets to decide the winner. So make your cases (or bribes) to Mama Mia while you still can.
I'm going to take this opportunity to rant about the most overrated movie in film history, 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's bloated, boring, and psychedelically weird with a non-ending.
That's why 2010: The Year We Made Contact, is superior in every way, including the space visuals.
First one (2001) is an incoherent mess that dazzled people who saw it in the theatre who'd never seen anything like the space effects before. That lead to a reputation of cinematic greatness that film students were told to accept from wannabe directors who don't know how to write a proper story and who accept whatever the flock puts out. The same crowd that makes the likes of Jackson Pollock and Andres Serrano famous.
The sequel (2010) puts together a great Cold War film about Americans and Russians working together to recover a lost spacecraft around Jupiter and examine a mysterious black spot on the planet. It's got strong performances all around, visually dazzling effects for the mid 80's, and it manages to incorporate and rescue what was left of 2001.
So easy. Mary Poppins Returns! With my apologies to the amazing Julie Andrews…Emily Blunt shines in MPR, and was made for that role. Furthermore, I’m all about Jack and his fellow lamplighters. While I love the chimney sweeps in the original, the modern dance with the lamplighters is out of this world.👍🏼👍🏼 May I go on? MPR has all the magic of the first (and then some) to thrill it’s younger viewers. But hey. As adults we all relate to the stress and pressure (and even perhaps, the loss) Mr. Banks faces. We are encouraged and uplifted by the end when we see him overcome and once again feel joy. We are inclined to believe that we, too, can overcome our present pain.
Well, at the risk beating the same drum two weeks in a row — though I’m not really, since last week I voted for the first Sherlock Holmes, my final answer is Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows. Brilliantly funny, lots of intriguing twists and turns, and an astonishingly clever ending. One of my favorite movies of all time…even if it doesn’t have the fight scene with the Dredger.
Yah so, apparently some of the best movies of all time are sequels. I want to nominate like a million things, but I’ll go with the picture here. T2: Judgment Day just for its rewatchability alone. And also for being the best action movie. And for being super fun.
Still not sure it's better than the original though. On the one hand we've got more and better action, more and better effects, more and better character development...on the other had we're saddled with Edward Furlong over Michael Biehn, a significant downgrade.
Agreed about trading Biehn for Furlong. But we got a very memorable Robert Patrick performance. Really, two extremely memorable machine characters. Additionally, we get a father figure storyline (parenting in general) , when do you you gain or lose humanity, sacrifice, and free will. I like the first movie, but I think the second turns every up on a grand, cinematic way.
I can’t say for sure which one is the best because the last two of the three are neck and neck, but I’m going to have to go with Bourne Supremacy - final answer
No way! Her death was the catalyst for everything that came after and an essential part of Jason Bourne’s character development and the plot. The 2nd and 3rd movies would have zero basis to exist if she stayed alive. And while I hate that she died, it is yet another example of the story we are all living- out of the ashes of violence, loss and tragedy is born justice, truth, mercy, beauty and renewed life.
Hmmm 🤔 interesting...but they still killed her in Ultimatum, yes? Let me put it this way, if Marie didn’t die in the books then it’s an entirely different story than the movies and IMO an inferior plot. It may sound cold-hearted to say the sequal is better BECAUSE she dies, but I assure you it’s not. Consider Christ’s death. We would rather he did not suffer and die. It is abhorrent to us, but if he did not go to the cross, what then? Think of all that is forfeit. Likewise, without the dark, what is light? Without pain, what is joy?
Beauty from ashes. The best stories mimic God’s story. Sorry, I’m probably going way overboard with these responses 😄, but I get really passionate about the complexities of human suffering and death. My favorite movies contain a profound loss followed by a victory.
I like happy endings too... but I think I’m too much of a realist and happy-ending-movies sometimes make me sad (oh the irony) when I snap back into the reality of this world.
Great question, if only because of the plethora of sequels and trisequels. I do enjoy movie series as I’m not particularly picky and it’s fun to pull a Mystery Science Theater 3000 if it’s awful 😃
Lethal Weapon 2, Ghostbusters 2, LOTR The Two Towers, Superman 2, T2, The Empire Strikes Back, Top Gun Maverick, Star Trek The Wrath of Khan, Batman Returns, The Dark Knight and The Color of Money would be my top submissions.
If re-boots are contenders, then I would consider Casino Royale.
Definite maybes are 2 Fast 2 Furious, How To Train Your Dragon 2, For a Few Dollars More and Aliens
If we’re allowed to skip the second release and go to the other installments I would suggest Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade and Mission Impossible Fallout.
My number one choice, and final answer is Godfather II. It has everything in it to please even the pickiest of watchers without feeling like everything but the kitchen sink is in it.
Francis Ford Coppola pours his heart into the story and he does so without hurrying, dragging or bribing. It’s a beautiful gift when you can shape the perception of others, and he does so without leaving you feeling manipulated or patronized. The seamless transitions between the past and present is sublime.
The actors are superb, stepping into their roles and bringing to life flawed yet somehow relatable characters you can see a little bit of yourself in. Even if one cannot relate to the thick cords of family and being betrayed, one can relate to some of the hard work, loyalty and trust portrayed. The easily recognizable time in American history during flashbacks borders on romanticism yet feels rich in authenticity.
The music, the film locations, the cinematography… all of it just comes together, weaving a story that lets the viewer know they were just gifted an extraordinary view into a fictitious family that feels very real.
PS - Thanks for humoring my lengthy comment. I don’t get out much to chat with other adults so I’m not hip to brevity protocol :/
LC is right: Some of the best of a franchise are sequels -Back To The Future 2 or 3, Empire Strikes Back and Jedi, Rambo, Return of the King, Aliens, Ghostbusters II, Lethal Weapon 2, Captain America: Winter Soldier, etc... as well as those mentioned here.
However, Jurassic Park 3 might...might...maybe may be slightly better that 2, which was horrid, but it's in NO way better than Jurassic Park.
Whoa there. T2 may be better than The Terminator (debatable) but best sequel of all-time is a different fight and The Empire Strikes Back and Aliens would have something to say about it.
There are a few X-Men movies that surpass the original. Days Of Future Past is still my favorite but Logan is definitely a great film and is almost a different genre. Good pick.
And the winner is...Katie with Logan. Congratulations, Katie, you get to choose tomorrow's question.
Wow, a four way tie with mere hours till the final bell.
For the record: The rules say that if the fight ends in a tie the member who asked the question gets to decide the winner. So make your cases (or bribes) to Mama Mia while you still can.
I'm going to take this opportunity to rant about the most overrated movie in film history, 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's bloated, boring, and psychedelically weird with a non-ending.
That's why 2010: The Year We Made Contact, is superior in every way, including the space visuals.
2010, final answer.
I'm surprised you didn't go with Empire Strikes Back 😉
Thought about it but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to hate on Stanley Kubrick.
I’m completely ignorant on this. Anything space or sci-fi in general loses my attention, with few exceptions🤷🏻♀️ Appeal to me in terms of the story?
First one (2001) is an incoherent mess that dazzled people who saw it in the theatre who'd never seen anything like the space effects before. That lead to a reputation of cinematic greatness that film students were told to accept from wannabe directors who don't know how to write a proper story and who accept whatever the flock puts out. The same crowd that makes the likes of Jackson Pollock and Andres Serrano famous.
The sequel (2010) puts together a great Cold War film about Americans and Russians working together to recover a lost spacecraft around Jupiter and examine a mysterious black spot on the planet. It's got strong performances all around, visually dazzling effects for the mid 80's, and it manages to incorporate and rescue what was left of 2001.
So easy. Mary Poppins Returns! With my apologies to the amazing Julie Andrews…Emily Blunt shines in MPR, and was made for that role. Furthermore, I’m all about Jack and his fellow lamplighters. While I love the chimney sweeps in the original, the modern dance with the lamplighters is out of this world.👍🏼👍🏼 May I go on? MPR has all the magic of the first (and then some) to thrill it’s younger viewers. But hey. As adults we all relate to the stress and pressure (and even perhaps, the loss) Mr. Banks faces. We are encouraged and uplifted by the end when we see him overcome and once again feel joy. We are inclined to believe that we, too, can overcome our present pain.
Almost blasphemous but I'll bite. I actually enjoyed it much more than I thought I would.
Yeah, I was scandalized at first (and still think the original is amazing) but she makes a good case. 😁
Haha! That's no different than my opinion was before I saw it. ;)
I know, but it really is good. Maybe not better than the first, but on par with it. Watch it and see. 😁🤍
Well, at the risk beating the same drum two weeks in a row — though I’m not really, since last week I voted for the first Sherlock Holmes, my final answer is Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows. Brilliantly funny, lots of intriguing twists and turns, and an astonishingly clever ending. One of my favorite movies of all time…even if it doesn’t have the fight scene with the Dredger.
I’m definitely gonna have to see that.
It’s so good! Hilarious and brilliant! And you don’t have to watch the first one for it to make sense (although it’s worth a watch, too).
I love, love, loooove both Sherlock movies. Watched them both a gazillion times. 🤍 Good pick!
Yah so, apparently some of the best movies of all time are sequels. I want to nominate like a million things, but I’ll go with the picture here. T2: Judgment Day just for its rewatchability alone. And also for being the best action movie. And for being super fun.
Still not sure it's better than the original though. On the one hand we've got more and better action, more and better effects, more and better character development...on the other had we're saddled with Edward Furlong over Michael Biehn, a significant downgrade.
Agreed about trading Biehn for Furlong. But we got a very memorable Robert Patrick performance. Really, two extremely memorable machine characters. Additionally, we get a father figure storyline (parenting in general) , when do you you gain or lose humanity, sacrifice, and free will. I like the first movie, but I think the second turns every up on a grand, cinematic way.
Okay, I'm giving you a conditional vote but I may skim both again this week just to to be sure.
I can’t say for sure which one is the best because the last two of the three are neck and neck, but I’m going to have to go with Bourne Supremacy - final answer
Geez. Spoiler Alert.
😂
No way! Her death was the catalyst for everything that came after and an essential part of Jason Bourne’s character development and the plot. The 2nd and 3rd movies would have zero basis to exist if she stayed alive. And while I hate that she died, it is yet another example of the story we are all living- out of the ashes of violence, loss and tragedy is born justice, truth, mercy, beauty and renewed life.
Hmmm 🤔 interesting...but they still killed her in Ultimatum, yes? Let me put it this way, if Marie didn’t die in the books then it’s an entirely different story than the movies and IMO an inferior plot. It may sound cold-hearted to say the sequal is better BECAUSE she dies, but I assure you it’s not. Consider Christ’s death. We would rather he did not suffer and die. It is abhorrent to us, but if he did not go to the cross, what then? Think of all that is forfeit. Likewise, without the dark, what is light? Without pain, what is joy?
Beauty from ashes. The best stories mimic God’s story. Sorry, I’m probably going way overboard with these responses 😄, but I get really passionate about the complexities of human suffering and death. My favorite movies contain a profound loss followed by a victory.
You wouldn’t be alone in that 🤍
I like happy endings too... but I think I’m too much of a realist and happy-ending-movies sometimes make me sad (oh the irony) when I snap back into the reality of this world.
Great question, if only because of the plethora of sequels and trisequels. I do enjoy movie series as I’m not particularly picky and it’s fun to pull a Mystery Science Theater 3000 if it’s awful 😃
Lethal Weapon 2, Ghostbusters 2, LOTR The Two Towers, Superman 2, T2, The Empire Strikes Back, Top Gun Maverick, Star Trek The Wrath of Khan, Batman Returns, The Dark Knight and The Color of Money would be my top submissions.
If re-boots are contenders, then I would consider Casino Royale.
Definite maybes are 2 Fast 2 Furious, How To Train Your Dragon 2, For a Few Dollars More and Aliens
If we’re allowed to skip the second release and go to the other installments I would suggest Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade and Mission Impossible Fallout.
My number one choice, and final answer is Godfather II. It has everything in it to please even the pickiest of watchers without feeling like everything but the kitchen sink is in it.
Francis Ford Coppola pours his heart into the story and he does so without hurrying, dragging or bribing. It’s a beautiful gift when you can shape the perception of others, and he does so without leaving you feeling manipulated or patronized. The seamless transitions between the past and present is sublime.
The actors are superb, stepping into their roles and bringing to life flawed yet somehow relatable characters you can see a little bit of yourself in. Even if one cannot relate to the thick cords of family and being betrayed, one can relate to some of the hard work, loyalty and trust portrayed. The easily recognizable time in American history during flashbacks borders on romanticism yet feels rich in authenticity.
The music, the film locations, the cinematography… all of it just comes together, weaving a story that lets the viewer know they were just gifted an extraordinary view into a fictitious family that feels very real.
PS - Thanks for humoring my lengthy comment. I don’t get out much to chat with other adults so I’m not hip to brevity protocol :/
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a split decision!
Tied with three likes each we've got:
Shannon with Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows
LC with Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Jess with Mary Poppins Returns
and Katie for Logan.
Pursuant to MFC rules the member who posted the question will get to decide the winner. Please stand by while Mama Mia makes her decision.
Dr. No < From Russian with Love < Goldfinger
The Bond formula was perfected in the second sequel. Aside the snide crack about the Beatles, a perfect sequel and film.
LC is right: Some of the best of a franchise are sequels -Back To The Future 2 or 3, Empire Strikes Back and Jedi, Rambo, Return of the King, Aliens, Ghostbusters II, Lethal Weapon 2, Captain America: Winter Soldier, etc... as well as those mentioned here.
However, Jurassic Park 3 might...might...maybe may be slightly better that 2, which was horrid, but it's in NO way better than Jurassic Park.
When you consider though that Mary Poppins is a book character with multiple books the idea of a sequel perhaps becomes more palatable.
There are several songs that are hilarious and impressive.
YES!
I get it....but you're missing out. ;)
"T2 is legit the best sequel of all time."
Whoa there. T2 may be better than The Terminator (debatable) but best sequel of all-time is a different fight and The Empire Strikes Back and Aliens would have something to say about it.
Oh, there’s a lot of utterly fantastic sequels -even ones that surpass the original, that can make Arnold shake like a girly-man :D
Alien Resurection? Ewww.
That was the one where the hybrid human/xenomorph was sucked out the window, right?
I’m curious: what ruined SW for you?
For my part Disney ruined everything SW for me (excepting Rogue One, which is still my second favorite SW film after Empire).
Sorry about the old wounds. The Sixth Sense...really? He must be smarter than the rest of us in that regard.
Still time to lobby Mama Mia for the win.
There are a few X-Men movies that surpass the original. Days Of Future Past is still my favorite but Logan is definitely a great film and is almost a different genre. Good pick.
I thought about nominating Logan too. Love that movie.